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    Real Quick LED Driver Question


    I am trying to drive an LED (2.1Vf, 20mA) from a digital signal
    (3.3V).  From what I have been able to understand, the logic level
    output I am using does not provide enough current to drive an LED
    brightly.  I have another power souse (7.4V) on board to drive the
    LEDs, but I do not know what transistor to use.  There are so many
    different ones.  What would be my best option?  Can someone point me
    out to a model number?

    Thanks,
    Tom

    Tom <kuh@gmail.com> writes:
    > What would be my best option?  Can someone point me out to a model
    > number?

    Pretty much anything will do, if it's just for blinkenlights (if it's
    a fiberoptic laser LED, that's a different issue).  You need either
    an NPN bipolar or N-channel MOSFET.

    On my furnace board, I used ON Semi's DTC144EET1G, mostly because I
    wanted a SOT-523 (i.e. really small) package.  This is an NPN bipolar
    with a built-in base resistor, since you need some sort of resistor
    when driving bipolar transistors.  Then you have to do the math - how
    much Ice current do you want, divide by worst-case Hfe (gain) to get
    Ibe, determine voltage difference between worst case Voh of your
    driver and highest Vbe, select base resistor.

    For N-MOSFETs it's a little easier, as no base resistor is needed and
    the turn-on voltage drop across the MOSFET is very little; you can
    almost pick the resistor as if the resistor/led were connected right
    to the voltage rails.  You just have to pick any N-MOSFET with a Vgs
    turn-on voltage sufficiently below your minimum Voh, and a Ids current
    capability high enough for your LED.

    To recap:

    1. Select a physical size, like TO-92 or SOT-23.

    2. Choose between bipolar or MOSFET.

    3. Current capability: For bipolar, select for Ice.  For MOSFET,
       select for Ids.  Choose at least 2x your expected LED current.

    4. Pick the cheapest one that's still listed ;-)

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    On 11 May 2007 10:58:40 -0700, Tom <kuh@gmail.com> wrote:

    >I am trying to drive an LED (2.1Vf, 20mA) from a digital signal
    >(3.3V).  From what I have been able to understand, the logic level
    >output I am using does not provide enough current to drive an LED
    >brightly.  I have another power souse (7.4V) on board to drive the
    >LEDs, but I do not know what transistor to use.  There are so many
    >different ones.  What would be my best option?  Can someone point me
    >out to a model number?

    ---
    For 20mA, almost anything will work. 2N2222 (PN2222) and 2N3904 are
    popular and cheap.

    --
    JF

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    "John Fields" <jfie@austininstruments.com> wrote in message

    news:skc943l500a6r6kh3nc6f3mlos98jimth7@4ax.com...
    > On 11 May 2007 10:58:40 -0700, Tom <kuh@gmail.com> wrote:

    >>I am trying to drive an LED (2.1Vf, 20mA) from a digital signal
    >>(3.3V).  From what I have been able to understand, the logic level
    >>output I am using does not provide enough current to drive an LED
    >>brightly.  I have another power souse (7.4V) on board to drive the
    >>LEDs, but I do not know what transistor to use.  There are so many
    >>different ones.  What would be my best option?  Can someone point me
    >>out to a model number?

    > ---
    > For 20mA, almost anything will work. 2N2222 (PN2222) and 2N3904 are
    > popular and cheap.

    My personal favorite NPN is MPSA06 (TO92), and for higher power PNP I like
    MJE170 (TO225). Mostly because I have several hundred of the one and a
    couple thousand of the other, among my surplus stock. I design many of my
    projects around these and other components I have in bulk, unless I have to
    compromise too much on specs.

    For driving 8 LEDs (or even relays) it's hard to beat the 18 pin ULN2803
    octal darlington driver.

    Paul

    -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------

    On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:58:40 -0700, Tom wrote:
    > I am trying to drive an LED (2.1Vf, 20mA) from a digital signal
    > (3.3V).  From what I have been able to understand, the logic level
    > output I am using does not provide enough current to drive an LED
    > brightly.  I have another power souse (7.4V) on board to drive the
    > LEDs, but I do not know what transistor to use.  There are so many
    > different ones.  What would be my best option?  Can someone point me
    > out to a model number?

    > Thanks,

    Wasn't quick enough.
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    -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
    On 11 May 2007 10:58:40 -0700, Tom <kuh@gmail.com> wrote:

    >I am trying to drive an LED (2.1Vf, 20mA) from a digital signal
    >(3.3V).  From what I have been able to understand, the logic level
    >output I am using does not provide enough current to drive an LED
    >brightly.  I have another power souse (7.4V) on board to drive the
    >LEDs, but I do not know what transistor to use.  There are so many
    >different ones.  What would be my best option?  Can someone point me
    >out to a model number?

    >Thanks,
    >Tom

    any GP NPN signal transistor will do really - 2N4124, BC107, BC184,
    ZTX300  anything really - provided you drive it in common emitter mode
    (i.e the LED & resistor to the collector, emitter to ground and drive
    the base with your 3.3v signal via a resistor). Base resistor needs to
    be about 1K5 and your LED resistor will be about 270R. Should light up
    nicely.
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